Mail! no matter how it comes (snail or through the air) we love it! – especially when it comes from you! An irregular coat question caught our attention last week…
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Cathy, I have a question. If an F1 goldendoodle carries the IC gene and is bred with a poodle that does NOT carry the IC gene, will any of the puppies have the furnishing/coats issues or will they just be carriers? Jill
Dear Jill,
This is an excellent question! With the Goldendoodle there are so many variations of coats, giving us different variations of fur based on the generations.
Interesting enough there wasn’t a great deal of reading material on the internet for me to research and get a better understanding, so I went to my SMDE (Subject Matter “Doodle” Expert) Kate Singleton.
Kate has been involved with Goldendoodles for many years. She’s helped hundreds of Doodle families living with Megaesophagus, and she’s lived with and loved a few herself. An incredible advocate for rescue organizations, Kate presently volunteers her time as the Assistant Manager for IDOG (International Doodle Rescue). She’s my “go-to” human for all things “Goldendoodle.”And she’s been an incredible friend from across the country.
HERE’S WHAT SHE SHARED –
To my understanding, if either of the dogs carry the gene, there is a 50% chance of producing puppies with the IC gene. However, I do know a breeder who bred two F1B’s, the father had the IC gene, the mother did not (at the time of breeding she was unaware that the father had the gene).
Out of 10 puppies, 4 of them were born with irregular coats and the others had the desired curly coat.
To get into specifics of genetics, one would need to know whether the IC gene was a X or Y gene.
Here’s a puppy born with an IC gene…
KEEP IN MIND –
The generation or breed doesn’t matter, it’s the genetics that they carry. At some point, all doodles are a poodle/retriever cross. As long as the dog carries the IC gene, it has the potential to produce puppies with IC. Even if we knew more specifics about the genetics (whether it was a mitochondrial gene or non mitochondrial gene- X or Y) you can’t really say for certain what the odds would be and just have to assume 50/50….
Thanks Jill! Golden hugs & Doodle Kisses from the Boys & I.
NOTE –
The intentional mix of breeds (Hybrids) allows you to have the predictability of the purebred, while maintaining the genetic diversity of a mixed breed dog. When you breed two different types of purebred dogs together you can get any combination of any of the characteristics found in either breed.
However, if you’re looking for specific physical characteristics. I highly recommend you research, ask questions, and take your time making any decisions or selections.
Disclaimer: I am neither a veterinarian nor a Goldendoodle Breeder. I am however, a Doodle Mom who loves to research, learn and share what I know about them.
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January 9, 2017
Thanks for the detailed information!
January 9, 2017
Anytime Chris – it was a hard one to answer that’s for sure 🙂 I learned a great deal in the process too! Have a great week.
January 10, 2017
Whew – that was all very scientific! Just give me a cute puppy – LOL. But seriously, great job tracking down the answer to your reader’s question!
January 26, 2017
Girl, researching this answer was like writing a doctoral thesis. LOL I did learn a great deal from those whom I talked to. Blogging can be so much fun. But I’m with you – give me an adorable doodle and I’m good 😉
July 17, 2017
Hi there, I need some help! I’m trying to help a close friend find a golden doodle female puppy with an IC.. can anyone direct me to a breeder who may be able to help me out? I would appreciate anyone who could give me any information. Thank you!
July 20, 2017
Hello Amanda – I can only recommend the breeder that I have a relationship with – Laurel Ridge Goldendoodles in Blacksburg, VA. Hope that helps.
January 20, 2018
I was just reading your post about coat types. In your experience…
Do all goldendoodles with a curly or wavy coat have furnishings? In other words, are only the smooth coat doodle the ones that don’t have the furnishings?
Thanks for your input
Amy
January 28, 2018
Hi Amy – Because the goldendoodle is a cross-breed, it would be difficult to call. That plus the fact that you have various generations in the doodle mix which would compound the variations (in my opinion) F1,F1B, F2, etc… I am trying now to remember if I’ve ever seen a goldendoodle (regardless of coat type) without furnishings. Have you?
June 9, 2018
Hello,
My name is Nancy Meacham. I am Mommy to two F1b Goldendoodles. My first has the furnishings and wavy coat that one would associate with the F1b cross.
We have a second pup from the same breeder, and this one confuses me. She has shed from the day we got her at 7 weeks old. Her hair has wisps that resemble fuzz. She is precious and we love her so much, but I am confused as to her coat type.
She is beginning to have hair grow out on her snout that resembles the inverted V of the Goldendoodle, but the hair on her forehead is short. The hair on the top of her head is longer, and it looks like chicken fuzz.
Is this consistent with an IC coat? She is right at 4 months, and I can tell her fur on her back is thickening and feels wavy. However, her hindquarters and sides and straight and wispy.
I wish I could send you a pic. She is precious… but oh so confusing. Thanks for any thoughts you may have.
Warmly,
Nancy
June 21, 2018
Hello Nancy – Reading your comment reminded me of myself watching and speculating about Jaxson’s coat. Because this incredible hybrid is the product of two distinct breeds, nothing is consistent. With that said, Goldendoodles will go through two (sometimes three) coat changes the first 15-18 months of their lives. Hang in there and try not to panic. From the three Doods that I’ve had, and the others I’ve watched grow up – it all works itself out and comes together. Please feel free to send me a photo, I’d love to see her – [email protected] Take care and please come back and visit us again soon.
November 9, 2018
Hi we have one that is about 4
Months now and same thing just wondered if your funhas changed much
November 19, 2018
MY oldest did, but not my youngest. The younger one (Jaxson) has the more traditional curl thick coat while Harley is straighter but softer. He blow drys more like a cotton ball.
September 14, 2019
Hi! My F1b 3 months Goldendoodle looks just like you described yours! I wondered how your second puppy’s fur turned out to be?!
Thanks!!
Paulina
September 17, 2019
Hard to say Nancy – because of the two distinct breeds we as pet parents can rely a little bit on the knowledge and expertise of the breeder but most of it is a wait and see game. I have never known of a Doodle parent that was disappointed with the end result though. Let me know how much the coat has changed. Thanks for stopping by, come back again soon.
February 3, 2020
Just thought you’d like to know, my golden doodle puppy (6 months) has a black curly coat all over but no beard. We think he’s gorgeous 🙂 I like that you say IC stands for irregular coat – some websites call it InComplete coat and some call it InCorrect coat. We think he’s perfect but definitely irregular 🙂
February 21, 2020
There’s nothing “in-complete” or “in-correct” when speaking about a doodles coat! I have seen Doods without a beard. Actually I keep both beards short because when they are long, they tend to get wet and after a few days there’s a “sour milk” smell. So I just keep it short. Thanks so much for stopping by, please come back again soon.